Action on water charge defaulters still unclear

Foreword
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"With all due respect to Fiachra who is just reporting what happened (to an extent) this is just nonsense. Irish Water Ltd « it’s a limited company – has no recourse to pursue anyone via Revenue or Welfare. If it wants to pursue anyone for unpaid charges it will have to do it as a civil matter through debt collectors, solicitors and the courts like any normal company. It will also have to establish that a binding contract was in place.

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Irish Examiner, Dec 1, 2016
Action on water charge defaulters still unclear

By Fiachra Ó Cionnaith

The Government has failed to clarify if people who have not paid water charges will be pursued through the courts, tax or social welfare payments systems.

Education Minister Richard Bruton, who took the place of theTaoiseach in the Dáil, was questioned on the water commission report.

Education Minister Richard Bruton repeatedly side-stepped the issue during a Dáil debate yesterday, as the Coalition was accused of trying to bring back charges “through the back door” of “excessive” water usage.

Speaking during the Leaders’ Questions debate, Mr Bruton, who took the place of US-bound Taoiseach Enda Kenny, was questioned over the exact implications of Tuesday’s water commission report.

However, despite direct questions over how people who have refused to pay the charges to date will be treated and calls for clarity on whether fees for “excessive” usage are a way to quietly re-introduce charges, he did not give any firm answers on the issues.

Questioned by Sinn Féin deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald about Housing and Local Government Minister Simon Coveney’s comments yesterday that people who have not paid to date will be “pursued”, Mr Bruton did not explain what the plan will involve.

Asked specifically if it relates to “pursuing through the courts, revenue or through social welfare payments”, Mr Bruton instead said “no one who did their civic duty and paid up” should be unfairly treated”.

During a separate exchange, AAA-PBP TD Richard Boyd Barrett warned Mr Bruton the water commission report’s recommendation that an as yet undefined “vast majority” of people will not pay fees while those using “excessive” amounts of water will face charges is a “fudge to save the blushes of Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil”.

Mr Boyd Barrett said the report found there was no reason for Ireland to have a charging system as the country uses 20% less water per home than Britain where charges are in place. He said this shows ‘the polluter pays’ principle is not based on logic.

However, Mr Bruton said the issue needs to be “deliberated in a mature way” by the 20-person cross-party Oireachtas committee examining the findings, adding pointedly, that Mr Boyd Barrett is a member of this group.

The responses led to an angry reaction from Ms McDonald, who said the public has made it clear there can be “no return of water charges through the front or back door” and that “given your track record, how could anyone trust you”.

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Households ‘will not be chased’ for unpaid water bills

Households will not be chased for unpaid water bills or arrears in paying the levy while a nine-month freeze of the charge is underway, housing minister Simon Coveney has said.

Mr Coveney also passed amendments to water charges legislation yesterday which could allow the suspension of charges to go beyond nine months if the Oireachtas desires this.

The minister was speaking at the committee on housing and faced demands to overhaul a Water Bill to suspend charges, which is currently going through the Houses of the Oireachtas.

The committee heard that amendments to the water legislation mean the cancellation of bills and charges will now be aligned so they are both stopped for nine months at the same time as of from July 1 to March 1 next year. However, Irish Water, in the meantime, will now not pursue hundreds of thousands of people who have refused to pay their charges, the committee heard. Mr Coveney told TDs at the committee: “There isn’t going to be a pursuing of bill or arrears during the nine-month period.”

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There would be no liability for charges or arrears before the Oireachtas votes on the future of water charges, TDs were told. This will happen after an expert commission examines water charges for nine months and a committee then takes another three months to make recommendations.

There were complaints from opposition TDs at the committee about the limited nature of the Water Bill.

Anti-Austerity Alliance TD Ruth Coppinger warned the continued installation of water meters would impede debate.

Mr Coveney said there was a defined period for the suspension and anything beyond that could be recommended by the Oireachtas Committee for a minister to consider. TDs complained that amendments had been ruled out of order by the bills office, including suggestions for a referendum to be held on keeping Irish Water in public ownership.

Mr Coveney, though, said he would be open to listening to suggestions about water charges, including the suggestion from Labour’s Jan O’Sullivan for the referendum. He outlined plans to meet EU environment commissioner Karmenu Vella over the next week about suspending water charges, adding: “Anybody outside of Ireland needs to understand this is a sensitive political issue.”

Asked if Ireland may be fined for the suspension of charges, Mr Coveney said: “I would be surprised if we didn’t get facilitated.”

Original article: Juno McEnroe, Irish Examiner, Wed 5, 2016