Social Democrats will not participate in Right2Change vote transfer pact

The Social Democrats say they will not be participating in the Right2Change vote transfer pact.

In a statement, the party leaders - TDs Catherine Murphy, Róisín Shortall and Stephen Donnelly - thanked the Right2Change initiative for the invitation to participate.

However they say "at this point in time our focus is on building the Social Democrats with the intention of standing in the upcoming General Election as a wholly independent party".

They say that while they commend and support the principles outlined in the Right2Change document, "we do have a concern that the substance of the entire document amounts to a manifesto and given that we intend to produce our own manifesto it would not be appropriate for us to sign up to that of another group".

They have also committed to their launch statement that they would not be participating in any pre-election pact, and add that they will have their own policy priorities when preparing for the next general election - although acknowledge common ground with Right2Change.

Other parties and left-wing groupings have until tomorrow to commit to the pact.


Independents rule out joining Right2Change vote transfer pact

Elaine Loughlin Irish Examiner Thurs, Oct 29, 2015

A number of independents have dismissed joining Right2Change claiming they are not interested in a vote transfer pact.

Catherine Murphy Social Democrats

Catherine Murphy Social Democrats

It comes after Sinn Féin said they would be advising supporters to give their second preference votes to members of Right2Change.

However, it appears that a number of Independent TDs and members of smaller parties will not join the Right2Change voting pact — a coalition of unions, politicians and groups opposed to water charges.

Catherine Murphy, joint leader of the Social Democrats said: “I don’t see any situation where we would be looking at a voting pact.”

She said her party would discuss the proposals and would deliver a statement on it today.Speaking of the objectives identified by Right2Change she said: “It’s quite general and there are things that we want to go further on or do differently.

“We won’t be going into a pact with any groups so that particular aspect for us is out. We will be setting out our stall in the election like every other group.”

Also ruling herself out, Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan said she was “surprised” Sinn Féin, who are not usually “transfer friendly”, were seeking a pact.

“I suppose I was surprised that there were going to do that. I have seen them very much as a lone player they want to be the main player in the Dáil and had been building towards that,” she said. “I am trying to stay in an alliance-free zone.”

Parties and independents have been asked to give a decision on joining by tomorrow.

Independent Alliance member John Halligan, ruled out entering any pact but said if elected, he would be willing to talk to any group, including Sinn Féin.

John Halligan Independent Alliance

John Halligan Independent Alliance

“The position with me is that I am an independent and I don’t think it would be acceptable to the people who vote for me to go into a pact.”

He added:

“I feel that you should be open to speaking to anyone but that does not commit you to anything.”

He expects most Independent Alliance members would not be entering the voting pact but said “some will go, but I don’t know if it will take off big time”.


SF vote pact: Transfers part of voting deal, says union (Right2Change)

Source: Fliuch Oct 28, 2015

McDonald says it will be ‘unforgivable’ if left-wing groups do not grasp opportunity

Mary Lou McDonald: Denied move was an act of “desperation” by Sinn Féin. Photograph: The Irish Times

Mary Lou McDonald: Denied move was an act of “desperation” by Sinn Féin. Photograph: The Irish Times

Fiach Kelly, Mary Minihan

A union leader behind the policy principles that form the basis for a left-wing voting pact has urged parties and TDs not to take an a la carte approach on who they will transfer to in a general election.

John Douglas of Mandate encouraged all those who signed up to the Right2Change movement to transfer to other affiliates of the group, formed from the anti-water charge protests.

His comments came after Sinn Féin deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald said it would be “unforgivable” if left-wing groups did not grasp the “opportunity” of the broad policy platform and transfer pact.

Sinn Féin on Tuesday confirmed it would sign up to the pact, but other left-wing groups will not return the favour by asking their supporters to transfer to Gerry Adams’s party. Ms McDonald denied the move was an act of “desperation” on behalf of the party, which has dropped back to support levels of about 16 per cent in recent polls.

However, Mr Douglas said the chance of the left winning extra Dáil seats depended on transfers. “If we can get the left together in terms of transfers, we should be able to win seats,” said Mr Douglas, one of a number of union leaders behind Right2Change. “That’s the crux of the matter. It is not an a la carte.”

Mixed views

There were mixed views across the left on the Sinn Féin move. Independent TD Thomas Pringle said he would be discussing whether to back Right2Change with his local team but expressed concern that Sinn Féin could be using it to “maximise its vote”.

Mr Pringle said it could also be difficult for an Independent like him to advocate transfers.

Wexford TD Mick Wallace also said he was supporting the Right2Change, as is Dublin Fingal’s Clare Daly. Dublin South Central TD Joan Collins said she was positive about the proposals and believes those who subscribe to them should transfer to each other.

Others who are understood to be in discussions with the group are the Workers’ Party, the Communist Party and the Social Democrats. Catherine Murphy of the Social Democrats said the newly formed party would make its position known by the end of the week.

Weak commitment

People Before Profit’s Richard Boyd Barrett said he saw no difficulty with transferring to other Right2Change affiliates.

The Socialist Party has yet to finalise its position but is unlikely to ask its voters to transfer to Sinn Féin. Paul Murphy, its Dublin South-West deputy, has already said he will not do so.

Outgoing Dublin West Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins claimed many in Sinn Féin favoured coalition with Fianna Fáil and accused it of having a “weak commitment to really fighting against austerity”.

“In the North not only have they implemented austerity measures in the Executive which have hit working-class communities, they, with other parties, have continued to play a role that stokes up rather than overcomes the sectarian divisions in the community.”

Tánaiste Joan Burton said the disagreements showed the political marriage between Sinn Féin and left-wing parties and Independents was over before it began. “I saw that some of the groups are going to transfer and others are not going to have anything to do with some of the groups that they’re now in an alliance with today,” she said.

Right2Change has said parties have until Friday to decide whether they will align themselves with the movement.

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We have to say, this is a difficult one to call. Why? Because many Irish people don’t actually understand what the transfer system is or how it works or even how the sheet of paper with all the candidates on it works.

Basically: When you go to your polling station and pick up your voting sheets you’ll be presented with a range of candidates that you’re expected to put numbers beside. Many people think they have to fill in all the boxes with numbers…

But that’s not the case. You only need to put numbers beside people you actually want to vote for – your

voting paper isn’t a popularity contest in the sense that you have to mark every single person from one to ten (or one to twenty etc).

If you put numbers beside people you don’t want in government you are actually giving them a vote in a roundabout way because once the transfer system kicks in and surplus votes are doled out a person that no one voted for could end up in the Dail.

The simple thing to do is to only put numbers beside people you really really want to see in government and leave the rest blank.

We would urge people to vote for independents and parties that promote constitutional change to our way of democracy, changes that give more power to the people, not to parties.

We’d also like to point out that some political parties and groups are actually the same group behind the scenes who have deliberately separated to gain more votes overall.

Fliuch.