Independents rule out joining Right2Change vote transfer pact

Elaine Loughlin Irish Examiner Thurs, Oct 29, 2015

A number of independents have dismissed joining Right2Change claiming they are not interested in a vote transfer pact.

Catherine Murphy Social Democrats

Catherine Murphy Social Democrats

It comes after Sinn Féin said they would be advising supporters to give their second preference votes to members of Right2Change.

However, it appears that a number of Independent TDs and members of smaller parties will not join the Right2Change voting pact — a coalition of unions, politicians and groups opposed to water charges.

Catherine Murphy, joint leader of the Social Democrats said: “I don’t see any situation where we would be looking at a voting pact.”

She said her party would discuss the proposals and would deliver a statement on it today.Speaking of the objectives identified by Right2Change she said: “It’s quite general and there are things that we want to go further on or do differently.

“We won’t be going into a pact with any groups so that particular aspect for us is out. We will be setting out our stall in the election like every other group.”

Also ruling herself out, Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan said she was “surprised” Sinn Féin, who are not usually “transfer friendly”, were seeking a pact.

“I suppose I was surprised that there were going to do that. I have seen them very much as a lone player they want to be the main player in the Dáil and had been building towards that,” she said. “I am trying to stay in an alliance-free zone.”

Parties and independents have been asked to give a decision on joining by tomorrow.

Independent Alliance member John Halligan, ruled out entering any pact but said if elected, he would be willing to talk to any group, including Sinn Féin.

John Halligan Independent Alliance

John Halligan Independent Alliance

“The position with me is that I am an independent and I don’t think it would be acceptable to the people who vote for me to go into a pact.”

He added:

“I feel that you should be open to speaking to anyone but that does not commit you to anything.”

He expects most Independent Alliance members would not be entering the voting pact but said “some will go, but I don’t know if it will take off big time”.


SF vote pact: Transfers part of voting deal, says union (Right2Change)

Source: Fliuch Oct 28, 2015

McDonald says it will be ‘unforgivable’ if left-wing groups do not grasp opportunity

Mary Lou McDonald: Denied move was an act of “desperation” by Sinn Féin. Photograph: The Irish Times

Mary Lou McDonald: Denied move was an act of “desperation” by Sinn Féin. Photograph: The Irish Times

Fiach Kelly, Mary Minihan

A union leader behind the policy principles that form the basis for a left-wing voting pact has urged parties and TDs not to take an a la carte approach on who they will transfer to in a general election.

John Douglas of Mandate encouraged all those who signed up to the Right2Change movement to transfer to other affiliates of the group, formed from the anti-water charge protests.

His comments came after Sinn Féin deputy leader Mary Lou McDonald said it would be “unforgivable” if left-wing groups did not grasp the “opportunity” of the broad policy platform and transfer pact.

Sinn Féin on Tuesday confirmed it would sign up to the pact, but other left-wing groups will not return the favour by asking their supporters to transfer to Gerry Adams’s party. Ms McDonald denied the move was an act of “desperation” on behalf of the party, which has dropped back to support levels of about 16 per cent in recent polls.

However, Mr Douglas said the chance of the left winning extra Dáil seats depended on transfers. “If we can get the left together in terms of transfers, we should be able to win seats,” said Mr Douglas, one of a number of union leaders behind Right2Change. “That’s the crux of the matter. It is not an a la carte.”

Mixed views

There were mixed views across the left on the Sinn Féin move. Independent TD Thomas Pringle said he would be discussing whether to back Right2Change with his local team but expressed concern that Sinn Féin could be using it to “maximise its vote”.

Mr Pringle said it could also be difficult for an Independent like him to advocate transfers.

Wexford TD Mick Wallace also said he was supporting the Right2Change, as is Dublin Fingal’s Clare Daly. Dublin South Central TD Joan Collins said she was positive about the proposals and believes those who subscribe to them should transfer to each other.

Others who are understood to be in discussions with the group are the Workers’ Party, the Communist Party and the Social Democrats. Catherine Murphy of the Social Democrats said the newly formed party would make its position known by the end of the week.

Weak commitment

People Before Profit’s Richard Boyd Barrett said he saw no difficulty with transferring to other Right2Change affiliates.

The Socialist Party has yet to finalise its position but is unlikely to ask its voters to transfer to Sinn Féin. Paul Murphy, its Dublin South-West deputy, has already said he will not do so.

Outgoing Dublin West Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins claimed many in Sinn Féin favoured coalition with Fianna Fáil and accused it of having a “weak commitment to really fighting against austerity”.

“In the North not only have they implemented austerity measures in the Executive which have hit working-class communities, they, with other parties, have continued to play a role that stokes up rather than overcomes the sectarian divisions in the community.”

Tánaiste Joan Burton said the disagreements showed the political marriage between Sinn Féin and left-wing parties and Independents was over before it began. “I saw that some of the groups are going to transfer and others are not going to have anything to do with some of the groups that they’re now in an alliance with today,” she said.

Right2Change has said parties have until Friday to decide whether they will align themselves with the movement.

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We have to say, this is a difficult one to call. Why? Because many Irish people don’t actually understand what the transfer system is or how it works or even how the sheet of paper with all the candidates on it works.

Basically: When you go to your polling station and pick up your voting sheets you’ll be presented with a range of candidates that you’re expected to put numbers beside. Many people think they have to fill in all the boxes with numbers…

But that’s not the case. You only need to put numbers beside people you actually want to vote for – your

voting paper isn’t a popularity contest in the sense that you have to mark every single person from one to ten (or one to twenty etc).

If you put numbers beside people you don’t want in government you are actually giving them a vote in a roundabout way because once the transfer system kicks in and surplus votes are doled out a person that no one voted for could end up in the Dail.

The simple thing to do is to only put numbers beside people you really really want to see in government and leave the rest blank.

We would urge people to vote for independents and parties that promote constitutional change to our way of democracy, changes that give more power to the people, not to parties.

We’d also like to point out that some political parties and groups are actually the same group behind the scenes who have deliberately separated to gain more votes overall.

Fliuch.


Local Donegal Water Campaigner responds to Sinn Fein statements and urges all parties that support the Anti Water Charge Campaign to cooperate

James Quigley returning bills to Irish Water

James Quigley returning bills to Irish Water

James Quigley, a member of Buncrana Against Irish Water group and Buncrana Together responds to the Irish Times article on Oct 27 'Sinn Féin to agree pact with left-wing parties' and Independents and the RTE News article on Oct 27, 2015 'McDonald calls on left wing parties to cooperate.  Both articles can be read HERE

 

As a republican, a socialist and a person who has supported Sinn Fein for many, many years, I am responding to these articles. 

First let me say that I totally agree that all left wing and progressive parties and Independents should cooperate fully, not only to form an election pact for the forthcoming elections but also should unite now under the Anti Water Charges Campaign.  This campaign and related austerity issues are much too serious for personal squabbling and party agendas.

Many Sinn Fein party members here in Donegal, including Padraig MacLochlainn, TD will know me and my stance on many issues down through the years. They will know that I do not blindly follow but rather ask questions, discuss and finally make my own mind up. Unfortunately this attitude does not suit Sinn Fein or their party whip system. It has landed me, many times on the receiving end of a lot of angry diktat. The Sinn Fein party politic likes control. It is this control that I will constantly question. I like freedom of expression, understanding and honesty. I encourage all republicans, everybody to do likewise and not blindly follow leaders. To have a strong, inclusive party or movement there must be differences of opinions and these opinions must be allowed to be aired.

As for Sinn Fein statements in these article, I believe that they are party politically oriented, designed to push their agenda, whatever that is. Anyone can see that the statements are manipulative divisive and condescending and maybe threatening It is a manoever that Sinn Fein has been doing for a long time now and none more so than in the 'Water Charges Campaign'. I am speaking from experience in the Donegal campaign. It is hard to know whether it is the tail wagging the dog? Is Sinn Fein representing the wishes of the grassroots? Or is Sinn Fein following their own political agenda? Who is leading who?

I have been constantly hearing catchphrases up here, locally and nationally from Sinn Fein and even Right2Water such as 'unity', 'peoples movement', 'grassroots movement' and so on. However, in reality they are rhetorical. In fact the opposite is happening, disunity, discord. If you are not with us you are against us. How many time have we heard this? Dictatorship may be harsh but it is not far off the mark when parties dictate and frown on discension, disagreement, opposition. If you voice your opinion or disagree you are pounced on, ostracised, ridiculed. Anyway who in their right mind could argue against nice phrase like unity, common goals? Mary Lou exemplifies this in her statement “It would be unforgivable if other left wing parties did not come together under the common Right2Change banner”.

Another thing about the statements in question is that they are unilateral. It is Sinn Fein. If it was unity, or building a strong opposition that the statements were designed to encourage, then why do it alone? Why belittle, antagonise, threaten others and back them into a corner? This is baffling but if you see it in the light of pushing ones agenda then it becomes clear.

Is it not true that meetings between left and progressive parties and independents have been ongoing for the past fortnight, facilitated by the Right2Change unions. By the way these clandestine meetings were arranged without grassroot movement's knowledge? If these meetings were designed to build a strong unified opposition in the country then why not wait until the end of these meetings to come out with a statement from the group as a whole? The grassroots are bewildered.

There is a subtle difference between a party or persons, or group being in any campaign to win it per se or whether it is there to further their own political agenda. The latter is somthing I abhor and I will do everything in my power to oppose that. Sometimes a campaign is bigger, more important than the individual or political party. This 'Water Campaign', our sovereignty and fight against right wing's austerity measures are such campaigns. Irish history is littered with examples of selfless acts and none more so that James Connolly and Wolf Tone. Let Sinn Fein, the Left, the Independents and Right2Change emulate this.

Mary Lou mentions that Sinn Fein is happy to sign up to Righ2Change common principles. Firstly, I believe that Right2Change water policy and principles are pretty general overall. There would need to be more detail. Secondly I believe that the Right2Water discussion process was not democratic or representative. It did not involve the movement throughout Ireland and was very selective who took part. However, that is another article. Suffice to say that Right2Water is a good idea but badly done.

To dwell on the 'Water Campaign', the Right2Change's Right2Water policy states that “Irish Water PLC and domestic water charges will be abolished within the first 100 days of a progressive Government”. That seems clear enough. Does Sinn Fein agree with this and is this their policy? Where in Sinn Fein's water services policies does it mention abolition of water charges and Irish Water? I refer you to Sinn Fein's Water Services Policy http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/36060. This does not mention abolishing anthing. In fact it seems to refer to reforming Irish Water and in doing so Sinn Fein will do so by using the Water Services Act 2013, where it states “such action can be facilitated under part 4, section 32 of the Water Services Act 2013”. How does this lend itself to the “coming together under the Right2Change common banner” which Mary Lou emphasised would be unforgivable.

We the grassroots need clear policies, not political manoeverings. We need to abolish Irish Water and water charges. We need our so called political representatives to get behind us, to give us clear, unified support and not frustrate us with their rhetoric. We need them to be honest with us and keep us informed at all times.

I would ask the Sinn Fein leadership to listen to their grassroots, people who understand that boycotting water charges is one of the most important non violent tactics that we have to defeat Irish Water . Get off your high horses and march with us. Do not dictate to us. Gerry Adams and many Sinn Fein Tds have subsequently reiterated that they got badly abused when they advocated boycotting water charges in the Six Counties and that is why they will not call for a boycott now. Let me remind them that I was involved in boycotting and advocating boycotting water charges in the Republic in 1996 and that was one of the major reasons which the campaign was successful then. Change your policy of not boycotting and get behind us and support us. This change would do more for unity and uplift this campaign. You can change your mind, you have done it in the past and we have forgiven you. Listen to the grassroots who understand instinctively that the total abolishion of the Irish Water quango, the Water Services Acts and Water Charges has to be the goal.