Oireachtas committee split on prosecutions for wasting water

Amended Act should allow for legal action against householders, says draft report

Sarah Bardon

Monitoring excessive usage? A water meter in Dublin. Photograph: Cyril Byrne

The Oireachtas committee on water charges is divided on plans to prosecute householders who waste water. The draft report for committee members proposes that existing legislation should be amended to allow for homeowners to be taken to court and sanctions to be imposed thereafter.

Fianna Fáil and Solidarity are supporting the proposal, but it is being resisted strongly by Fine Gael, Labour and Sinn Féin.

Fine Gael Senator Paudie Coffey said his party would not support any measure which allowed for householders to be pursued through the courts.

“Fine Gael believes in responsible usage of water, but dragging people through the courts is unacceptable,” Mr Coffey said. “We have moved considerably from our party position on water charges, but we do not believe in the prosecution of people.”

Excessive usage has been a source of dispute between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael at the committee.

The legal opinion provided to the members by senior counsel David Nolan will now provide the basis for negotiations between the two parties. It says the 2007 Water Services Act can be amended to meet obligations arising from the European Union Water Framework Directive. The directive insists on a system being in place to allow for the recovery of costs for the provision of water services. Breaches of the directive can result in member states being fined.

Fianna Fáil believes the Act should contain measures to fine householders, while Fine Gael believes a bill should be issued to those who are found to be wasting water.

Normal usage of water

The committee members also failed to reach agreement at the meeting on how normal usage of water can be determined.

The report suggests that the Commission for Energy Regulation would decide the limit. However, Fianna Fáil is resisting such power being delegated to the body, insisting that the committee itself should determine the figure.

Solidarity TD Paul Murphy said he would not support the introduction of any figure in legislation, claiming that this would provide for the reintroduction of water charges.

The committee will meet again today to discuss metering and possible refunds for those who have paid their charges.

The draft report says that district metering should be used to monitor excessive usage and that modern technology, such as satellite imaging, should be utilised to target individual households.

The committee proposes that those who voluntary install a domestic water meter should be incentivised through, for example, a tax credit. For those in apartment blocks, the committee proposes bulk metering and an allowance per home .

Members will also have to consider a recommendation for all new dwellings to have water meters installed.

On the issue of refunds, the committee proposes that those who have paid their charges should be compensated. However, it says this can only be done following consideration of the fiscal implications .

The committee did agree yesterday to the principle that domestic water usage be funded through taxation. In order to comply with EU law, it says the taxation must be identifiable and must meet the cost of water services.

The committee is due to complete its work today and its final report will be sent to the Dáil on April 14th.

Source: Irish Times, Mar 29, 2017


Buncrana Together

Fine Gael are reluctant to take householders to court, now, that is just not a believable argument.  Their real motive, as has always been the case, is to get meters installed by hook or by crook.  They are using the 'excessive use' argument to get a foot in the door and once meters are accepted we are then on the slippery slope to itemised billing.   What a waste of money and resources it is to meter every household when it is supposedly only for excessive use, especially since it is accepted that Irish householders are not excessive users of water.

We agree with Paul Murphy when he said he would not support the introduction of any figure in legislation, claiming that this would provide for the reintroduction of water charges.

Lastly we notice the article mentions Sinn Féin siding with Fine Gael and Labour.
"Fianna Fáil and Solidarity are supporting the proposal, but it is being resisted strongly by Fine Gael, Labour and Sinn Féin"

How can this be so and can Sinn Féin explain their stance, if it is true?


FG-FF clash likely on legality of fines for wasting water

EU commissioner says it is ‘questionable’ if fines would meet water directive

Fianna Fáil believes amending the 2007 Water Services Act, which allows fines for wasting water, could be used to prevent wastage

Michael O'Regan

Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil are likely to differ sharply on Tuesday when an Oireachtas committee considers the legality under EU law of imposing fines for wasting water.

This follows a comment by Commissioner for the Environment Karmenu Vella that it would be “questionable’’ whether this met the EU water framework directive.

A source close to the committee, set up to examine the future of the charges, said the commissioner’s view would add to its difficulties in reaching a consensus. “Reaching some kind of coherent agreement is going to be very difficult,’’ the source added.

Fianna Fáil is opposed to charges, and believes amending the 2007 Water Services Act, which allows fines for wasting water, could be used to prevent wastage.

Minister for Housing Simon Coveney has insisted he will not introduce any legislation that defies the advice of the Attorney General, the European Commission and that of his own department.

The issue has caused considerable tension between the minority Government and Fianna Fáil, which has said it is an issue which could bring down the Government.

Impose fines

The 20-member committee, under the chairmanship of Independent Senator Pádraig Ó Céidigh, was scheduled to report to the Dáil on February 28th. However, it failed to reach agreement, and its report is now due by April 14th.

The commissioner’s view was expressed in a letter to Fine Gael Dublin MEP Brian Hayes. Mr Hayes said he had asked the commissioner whether Fianna Fáil’s proposal to the committee to impose fines for “wilful abuse of water’’ was in compliance with the directive.

He said the commissioner had raised serious doubts, and had noted a previous Fianna Fáil government had given a clear commitment to introduce charges to comply with the directive.

“One thing we do get definitive confirmation on is that we cannot revert to our previous practice of paying for water through general taxation,’’ Mr Hayes added. “This would clearly constitute a breach of the water framework directive for which we would be liable for massive fines.’’

Dismissing the commissioner’s view, Solidarity TD Paul Murphy, a member of the committee, said it fell into the category of “well, they would say that, wouldn’t they?’’

He said the “neo-liberal commission’’ had been a driving force for water charges and privatisation across Europe.

Source: Irish Times, Mar 26, 2017


Buncrana Together

To us this article can only be described as a timely intervention by Mr Brian Hayes, Fine Gael MEP and the Commissioner for the Environment Karmenu Vella.  Are they trying to pre-empt Fianna Fáil's legal presentation to the Oireachtas Water Charges Committee on Tuesday, Mar 28?  How can anyone prejudge what has not even been presented yet?  If that is the case then what is Mr Hayes' and the Commissioner's intention?

Fine Gael and the EU Commission have used this strong armed tactics many times before, such as massive fines.  Again we would like to remind them that if they think that any decision of the Dáil is wrong then let them take it to theCourt of Justice of the European Union (CJEU).  Until such time any threat or opinions are only that.


#JobstownNotGuilty - Protest is not a Crime

Saturday 1 April 2017, 1pm - 4pm Liberty Hall Dublin

 

"As someone who is an expert in what being falsely imprisoned is I can say this was not false imprisonment. This was a community exerting its democratic right to oppose an unjust policy. A right that we should all be proud to defend." Paddy Hill, Birmingham Six

Paddy Hill served 16 years in prison - along with the rest of the Birmingham 6, for a crime he had nothing to do with. Members of the Rossport 5 were jailed 94 days for standing up against the Shell corporation and their plans to build a pipeline through their community. They will be joined by Jimmy Kelly of UNITE the union, former MEP and justice campaigner Patricia McKenna and others at this major campaign rally for #JobstownNotGuilty.

A 17 year old school student has already been found guilty of false imprisonment – a verdict a barrister described as “a recipe for totalitarianism”. 18 adults are awaiting trial - starting on the 24th April 2017 - and facing serious prison sentences if convicted. The trials, which will be six to eight weeks long, themselves will place enormous stress and strain on the defendants. If jailed, families would be left in very difficult situations, with jobs lost and parents in prison. If TD Paul Murphy is jailed for more than six months, he will be removed as a TD, denying the democratic choice of the people of Dublin South West.

All this relates to an anti water charges protest in Jobstown, Tallaght in Dublin on 15th November 2014, where then Tánaiste Joan Burton’s car was delayed for 2 and ½ hours by a spontaneous community protest.

If these protesters are found guilty, the definition of “false imprisonment” will be changed. Any protest that causes even a momentary delay, which for example inconveniences a politician, could be deemed to be “kidnapping”. This is about intimidating people and criminalising protest

Just a few weeks before the trials start, this major rally will make the case that these trials can affect all of our right to protest. A major campaign for justice is now needed. Join us on April 1st and reserve your place at the link below. We will be in touch via email to confirm your attendance.

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